More reports will continue to trickle out about the prison abuse that went on in Iraq. Here is the latest and perhaps the most perverse:
"Female interrogators tried to break male Muslim detainees at the United States prison camp in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, by sexually touching them, by wearing miniskirts and thong underwear, and, in one case, by smearing a Saudi man's face with red ink, which he was led to believe was menstrual blood, according to part of a draft manuscript written by a former Army sergeant...."
"When asked how she could break the prisoner, a Muslim linguist told the woman to tell him she was menstruating, then to touch him and to turn off the water in his cell so he could not wash. 'The concept was to make the detainee feel that, after talking to her, he was unclean and was unable to go before his God in prayer and gain strength,' the manuscript says." - excerpt from the AP
This is the reason why the United States of America is so hated in the Arab world. The use of this kind of torture may have gotten the information out of this one prisoner, but we created at least 1,000 more men willing to fight and die to avenge his mistreatment.
By Kyle - 1/28/2005
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Dude, that makes me sick. Sick to my stomach.
Why didn't the female interrogators just tell the guys that they wanted to sit down and talk about their feelings and the status of the relationship? That would have broken them immediately.
I think we are using the word "torture" a little to loosely here. it might be not pleasant, but it is not torture. lets keep it perspective. also for the record, most people at guantanomo are from afgahnistan not iraq, so this does not really relate to abu ghraib or other iraq prison scandals
Using sexual humiliation in Guantanamo set the tone for what went on in Abu Ghraib. The leadership in Guantanamo set the tone for Iraq. It shows a pattern of bizarre sexual abuse that is much more widespread than the isolated incident the White House made what happened in Iraq out to be.
One nation, under god, indivisible with detainees being forced to beat each other off in naked pyramids while wearing black hoods as we electrocute genitals before we smear fake menstrual blood on their face... for all.
If you don't like the word torture, then what is it?
I am saying what you are describing at Gitmo is not torture. Humiliation is not torture. Abu Ghraib - things happened there that are torture. Getting bamboo shoots in yuor fingernails, round the clock beatings, that is torture.
They are two different places. People embarass me all the time - it isnt torture.
ben,
have you ever heard the term psycholigical torture? i know thats a big word, and to be honest - i probably didn't spell it right. but trust me, torture doesn't have to hurt to be torture. ever heard any vietnam pow's stories. tell them they weren't tortured even if it waan't physical mistreatment. get some sense, quit your fox news perversions of the english language.
yes i have heard of it. I dont think that what he described in his post qualifies for that, if it does to the people at Gitmo I frankly dont really care. They are terrorists not uniformed military so i dont think the comparison to US soilders is valid in this case. I would say we should not be doing this to members of a uniformed army, say Russia or Germany or something like that.
human beings are human beings....so just because they(terrorists) may not believe in that, it doesn't mean we should lose our faith. that would mean that "the terrorists have won."
well ok - but i still think that people at Gitmo arent being exposed to torture - i just dont think that what kyle posted is unreasonable to expose them to. these are the taliban people.
Ben, that is torture. And there is no question. Seriously, no question. I would assume that only Rush would say that is not torture, but I was wrong.
I guarantee that a poll would show at least 90% of americans would consider that torture.
Ben, i mean this seriously. You do a great job of diminshing our points with semantics. However, you never discuss the main point. Does this create more American hatred in the world? I would assume, in your the privacy of your own thoughts, you know it does. And that is a problem. Because, we want to stop terrorists, right?
All- First, I have not listened to Limabugh or watched FNC for a week. No radio allowed at work. I wish you all would stop saying in every post that I am just repeating what I hear on Rush or see on Fox News. I dont say well "you are just repeating what you heard Chuck D say or what you saw on CNNPBSMSNBCABCCBSNBCWashPostNYTimesLATimes," etc. I can think for myself as can all of you.
Chuck - I dont care what your hypothetical opinion poll, probably conducted by John Zogby says. If 99% of Americans said it was torture, I still wouldnt. Smearing fake blood and making detainees look at women in skirts is not torture in my opinion. Some might even say that isnt enough. I would say that yes 90% of people that visit this site would say it is torture, but nowhere near that of the American public as a whole. Again, I dont really care what you all or anyone thinks - it isnt torture to me. Torture is getting locked up in a dog cage, not being fed, then having your head cut off for being American (similar to when Toneff was locked in a dog cage at Marty's). And no insult will change that.
Now to your question of how does this make America look to the rest of thr world? Does it make us look bad? Likely. Do we already to most people? Yes. But if they have information, we have to get it. This is stuff that you do when you need to. I for one am for protecting America first, as I am sure you all are. I dont think otherwise, even for a second. Everyone here wants the best for USA. We just dont agree on proper methods and what their reprocussions will be.
Of course I think what happened at Abu Ghraib made us look really bad in the rest of the world. But I dont think is nearly as big of a deal.
The day will come when I will say to some Republican "quit repeating the talking points you read on the Keeler Report."
Ben, I understand your point about your definition of toture is more physical. As a proud liberal, I believe the definition to be more broad.
My point with this post was to try and bring attention to what motivates people to fly planes into buildings.
Kyle I hope so too...when I finally get my redesign done I will be onward to that goal. The day is coming when my site and your site are winning awards and being cited by news organizations and newspapers. I think our liberal / conservative alliance is starting to pay dividends.
Agreed.
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