Oct 17 - 46/45 - McCain +01
Larry King Must Die!*
Nothing like being compared to the Inquisitors, Nazis and skinheads, the Muslim Brotherhood and Hezbollah first thing in the morning. Today, that's exactly what I woke up to.Another Ohio blog, The Daily Bellwether had written a piece in response to my recent post, Larry King Must Die! In it the author says that my post "smacks of Fatwa." Feel free to go back and read my original post if you want, but the line in question is this one:
"As many of you know I'm moving to NYC this month, and I'll tell you I'm scared...if I run into Larry King in a dark alley I fear I will pummel him until his heart stops beating. He's so busy loving himself and his 50 years of intriguing interviews, that he seems completely oblivious to what's happening on his show. The man should really be put to sleep."
This blog seems to think that I'm literally calling for the murder of Larry King and that this legitimate death threat could be considered a criminal act. The author sites an Ohio statute, 2903.211, that "criminalizes (sic) menacing by stalking" and says that "no person should cause another to believe they will be subject to physical harm or mental distress."
What would that even mean? "No person should cause another to believe they will be subject to mental distress." So I can't even threaten to piss people off?
Anyhow, I would like to address the "physical harm" part. I've contacted Larry personally with the following retraction:
Larry,
Sorry if I gave you the impression that I had put a Fatwa on your head. Aside from stating in the comments that I was not serious, I should have clearly marked the post as "very sick comedy," especially considering your inability to comprehend what was going on during your recent Michael Moore interview, in which you seemed to exhibit symptoms of advanced Alzheimer's. To be clear, I have no intention of pummeling you whatsoever and furthermore, advise others against such action.
Keep up the good work,
Bob
*in the inevitable, universal, Tibetan philosophy, Sylvia Plath sense of the word
By Robert - 7/17/2007
60 Comments:
That goof claims your joke "abused the First Amendment right of free speech"
Is this the first time his guy ever went on the internet? That would be odd, since he runs a site, but seriously. There are similar, obvious parallels on the internets everyday.
Get a life (i would go with my favored suicide request, but I too may be abusing the 1st)
I've known Bill Sloat for a long time. He's a major league investigative journalist. He's been in situations that would have you standing in a puddle of your own piss in under a minute.
Nobody here has half his balls, journalistic insight or prowess.
You guys criticizing Sloat is a like a couple of Girl Scouts telling a combat veteran how to hold their rifle. You have no fucking idea who you're dealing with.
Mencken,
OK...considering I don't know Bill Sloat from Adam, you're right...I don't have any idea who I'm dealing with. Literally, all I know is that he has a blog that no one comments on.
Your personal reference does mean a lot to me, but honestly, his record aside, don't you think it's a real stretch to imply that I'm literally calling for the murder of Larry King and that this is some legitimate death threat could be considered a criminal act?
Come on, man.
Reread my post, Menk.
As much as I may have wanted to, not once did I even come close to personally attacking Mr. Sloat or his blog.
And I can't believe I have to ask this but...
Menk, you've been a regular here at TCS for at least the past 6 months, do you think Sloat's comparison is justified, in which he lists me amongst the ranks of: the Inquisitors, Nazis and skinheads, members of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hezbollah?
This analogy may exhibit balls, but I'm having trouble seeing the insight and prowess.
I tried to post a comment at Mr. Sloat's blog inviting him and his readers to check out my response, but at The Daily Bellwether:
"Comment moderation has been enabled. All comments must be approved by the blog author."
The Sylia Plath reference in the asterisk note is awesome.
Mike, thanks. Truth is it's a butchered quote from Fight Club.
you have never seen my balls mencken, and i can assure you, they are a sight to behold
I shoulda caught the reference
OK...full disclosure: looks like my comment is up now at The Daily Bellwether.
(I wonder if Mr. Sloat will come teach me how to hold my rifle now.)
mencken, we're individuals, not "you guys."
Sloat's post is so funny... the reference to Columbine and Moore's opinion of guns and gun violence... Bob wrote about pummeling Larry King, not shooting him. Pummeling an old man doesn't seem like something Bob would be interested in.
I could see a man named Bill Sloat having a big pair, so I will not get into a comparison.
But I would think "a major league investigative journalist" would have a bit more sense - or at least a job in journalism.
or at least the balls to allow comments on his blog.
or the balls to respond to this article.
Nobody here really took it literally. But, I had a feeling - thats why I posted this:
"Bob, that headline and the bullseye on Larry's brainpan graphic..HMMMMMM"
Anyhow Bob, I know you would not do that, the problem is that somebody out there may take it another way.
And of course there are those who yearn to make a big issue of something stated like that.
Geez, I sure hope that "they" dont read my Jap references. Is there a statute against that?
I am going to go read the blog in reference.
Menck, Good "Dont piss into the wind" advice.
I have been in some of those "piss puddle" situations myself, actually was real proud about some of those---- just not for a long time. I try to keep my blood pressure down - can you dig that?
Lotta pissin around going on here lately
Terra,
About the gun thing...in all fairness, I did put cross hairs on Howard the Duck's massive landing-pad of a forehead.
The funny thing is that although I was defending Moore from this slanted CNN 'Fact Check,' I DO NOT share Moore's view on guns.
As I've stated here on several occasions I proudly cross the aisle on the Second Amendment.
In this instance, I was defending Moore because he was simply in the right: the segment called his documentary less than truthful yet had nothing substantial to back up the claim.
Tera, does the same individual comment apply for individuals who happen to be black, latino, gay, handicap, etc? I listen to so much of the progressives diatribes in terms of individuals being treated or affected certain ways becuse of the group you assign them to that I am surprised you would notice that reference much less be offended.
Bob,
If they cant take a joke F###K them. That is their problem not yours.
I can't tell if menck is being sarcastic, or if he's got a crush on this Bill Sloat guy.
The post of his is neither good investigative journalism, (didn't bother to investigate the comments section!) insightful, nor ballsy.
Maybe Bob doesn't know Bill Sloat from adam, but Bill doesn't know Bob either. If Bill can be so judgemental after reading a single post, then I think it is fair for all of us to judge Mr. Sloat as an asshole for his post.
And Menck, what do you know about my balls?
fred, there are 4 of us and we are all very different. that's why "you guys" doesn't apply here. society in general groups people according to categories. If bob writes a post about Larry King or Bill Sloat, it doesn't mean that I also wrote that post or share his views. "you guys criticizing Sloat"... we guys didn't criticize Sloat. Bob wrote a post about Sloat's reaction. Therefore, "you guys" doesn't apply. get it?
"You guy" collectively write for the same outfit so "you guys" is a reasonable statement - regardless of individual differences. You find it useful to complain about conservatives collectively even though you are referring to an often more diverse (in views) group than the chiefsource team.
Terra, Thank you for clarifying your point
The more I read Mr. Sloat's post, the more I'm blown away. I just noticed the title:
"Ohio Blogger Who Loves Michael Moore: Wants CNN's Larry King Murdered"
If I remember correctly I described Moore's behavior and performance as "piss-poor" and the only adjective that I used to describe the so-called object of my affection was "beligerent." Not exactly a glowing compliment.
In the post I was taking issue with CNN's 'Fact Check' not praising Moore. Seriously, this headline sounds more like it was written by a child than a journalist.
Mr. Sloat 'approved' my comment at his blog this afternoon (which means he definitely saw my invitation to read and comment on this follow up post). Then half an hour later he posted a very lengthy new post about a Cincinnati paper closing down. Evening is here now and still not a peep.
Could it be that the Five-Star General is retreating from a bunch of Girl Scouts?
(Might be time to remeasure those balls.)
The five star general's pup is being mighty quiet as well.
"cross hairs of my heart-felt apology launcher," damn that's good stuff. Where can I buy one of those? It would come in real handy with the wife. Do you need a permit?
Sloat always has a wicked grin on his face when he's sticking it in your ribs, just like Chuck does .....right...... and you guys bit.
Maybe Sloat's blogs don't get many comments, but I can assure you that most of the things he's written found more readers in one day than this blog has in it's entire lifespan.
Chuck says Sloat should at least have a job in journalism. What a howl.
Now that I've gotten everyone peaking into their shorts for a ball check my work is done.
And Menk I can assure you that most of the things Ann Coulter's written have found more readers than everything Mr. Sloat has written in his lifespan.
So what?
Would you concede that anyone who's more widely published than yourself should automatically have his statements held in higher regards than your own in a debate on policy?
Of course you wouldn't. You'd want the facts to speak for themselves. You'd want the argument to stand on merit.
Sloat may have won a dozen Pulitzers, but it doesn't change the fact that his post (implying that I was issuing an honest to God Fatwa on King) was totally disingenuous and irresponsible.
This is from the guy that posted an illustration of LeBron hanging dead by his neck. We know it's a joke, but what was the message or the intent ?
Putting targets on people's foreheads? On a wingnut Republican blog, who would even notice? On the Chief Source... it's disappointing.
no accounting for taste, and things written on blogs are hardly journalism-unless you consider rampant partisanship and opinion piece after opinion piece to be considered journalism-somehow I always thought that journalism was just the facts ma'am.
Just to clarify:
Chuck posted the picture of LeBron hanging by his neck, not me.
menck, the message was Lebron choked. get serious.
What I see is a black man, hanging by his neck dead, with his hands possibly tied behind his back. That's not choking Chuck, that's an image
of a lynching. Choking is getting something stuck in your throat literally or figuratively..
And I still say if Keeler or some other right-wing site had run the image, you could have waterskied on the flood of complaints from the Left.
Lynchings are one of the ugliest acts in American history. Look up a few historical photos
and tell me how far off I am. Here I'll save you the trouble:
http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/lm18.html
CHuck hates black people
Now that was funny. Wish I'd thought of that.
well, menck, i did not think of it that way. I followed up with consulting many people, including chief source staff, and no one saw a problem.
considering i am the one that is considered finding racism in everything, i would think i would see it. however, i don't. but maybe i am wrong.
and if i offended anyone, i completely regret the image (that i took from some joke website).
when someone criticized it (i forget if it was you), I just assumed i was getting shit in any direction, because that is what usually happens....especially when equestioning King Layup.
But if there was any genuine problem with the image, i regret it and apologize
Ooops, (I was gonna begin with "You Guys")
My fellow bloggers,
Good Day.
If it should behoove you kind and most generous of opinion types, will you please turn down your graphic references of acts of violence a tad.
That is a click more than a scosch, and two c&*#t hairs less than a besmidgeon.
Most Respectfully, your shepherd of shibboleth,
Petey
Scope cross hairs on a well known persons head....a black man hanging by a noose...
Maybe a little discretion could deliver the point a leetle betta
But who am I to crimp style?
Petey,
You'll be happy to know that I've decided to be more comical when venting my rage, so there will be no confusion with legitimate threats. Itchy and Scratchy type stuff.
For example:
I think Dick Cheney should have a pack of rabid ferrets sicked on him, forcing him to flee into a massive wood chipper with blood gutters that empty into a row of George Foreman Grills which the White House Staff is unwittingly using to make grilled cheese sandwiches for those playing ping-pong in the War Room.
I'm pretty sure that making Cheney admit publicly that he was wrong would be far more torturous to him than what you just suggested Robert.
Oorah on the ferret/foremamgrill/gag
My brainiak sister in law who is a sociologist(why does that have same rootword as sociopath?) in Columbus once told me I should vent my steam by hitting golf balls or chopping wood instead of smashingout my liver in the bar and showing others lips my class ring
I am not a good one to lecture on etiquette or discretion
Oh NOOOOOO, just had a vision of barefoot, two toothed, coveralled, Dicky Cheney, Davy Crocket coonskin cap on head..... running thru the woods with a rabid wolverine w/vicelocked bite on his popo....of course hes screaming that Ted Kennedy bit him
Thats funny, dont care where U R
when he dies - they can beat the shit out of him and bury him in a shoebox
Bob, I once was suspended from HS for telling a pothead that I would tie a red bandana on him and throw him in the cow pasture with the bull.
Come to think of it, we had NO rights in those days in school....Hey if you were caught with a Playboy......&
The Catcher in the Rye, by JD Salinger, was banned from our virgin eyes (I read it anyway)...you could get kicked out of school for having an "undesirable" haircut and girls for NOT wearing a dress ( I LIKE HS girls in cute dresses!) but dont like the censorship....when I entered the workforce in 1968, an employer actually told my I had to shave off my large black handlebar mustache...I still wear it 39 yrs later as evidence that I am free and independent American.
OK enough! Im off to burn my Vonnegut collection...(I think he was banned too)
Still no Sloat.
Disappointing.
Bob here is Sloats response for his website:
Robert of Chief Source --
I guess the humor went right over my head because I didn't think it was funny to say someone should die, or be executed, or targeted with a bullseye on their face because they disagreed or had issues with Michael Moore. Maybe you could call them ill-informed, or reactionary. But to say they should die? That is Imusism -- a word I think I just coined -- that means a statement intended to inflame but not really meant to be offensive.
Who else do you think should die? Lieberman? Cheney? John Kerry? The head of the Cleveland Clinic? The President? The Pope? Is your standard anyone you disagree with you can say that they should die or be put to death -- but that, hey, can't you see I'm just kidding . . .
Satire, I think, is more difficult.
C'mon man. You blew it. Do you really want a bullseye target on Larry King, on anybody for that matter, because you disagree with with what they say. What if that target was on MLK Jr.'s head on a skinhead website? It would be racist at worse, stupid at best.
Or should it be okay because, as you maintain, Mr. King of CNN is afflicted from something akin to Alzheimers disease? If someone is disabled mentally, we should have sympathy and compassion, and realize what they are saying is unconnected from reality. Should we really joke that it is o.k to advocate for the extermination of the addled?
Your criticism of King was exuberant, and perhaps deserved. Your way of expressing it was reprehensible. You should take down the post of the target on his head and apologize sincerely. And you should hope, and pray, that no one who is mentally unstable sees that and opens fire.
After all, as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Petey,
Thanks for posting that. I'm not sure why Sloat wouldn't respond directly here. (Could it be because here every comment doesn't required his approval to be posted). Or why he'd wait so long, posting other things at his site first. Was he waiting for this to slide down the page a bit? We'll never know. Anyhow...
I'm busy as hell today, but I must say one quick thing (don't consider this the end of my rebuttal).
Dear Chief Source reader (yeah you),
Ask yourself, when you read my post did you think about notifying the FBI about my plot to assassinate LK? Did you fear for Mr. King's life? Why, friends did you not plead with me that it was not worth it to stalk and kill this poor, innocent man? Why? Cause you didn't, for a single second, take this to be a legitimate threat.
Some of you like my belligerent jokes. Some of you hate them. But none of you mistake them for a Fatwa. And had there been any doubt, my comment in which I plainly stated that I was kidding, would have cleared that up.
I was watching (God forgive me) some show that Tyra Banks hosts last night. Referring to one outfit, she said point blank that the people working in wardrobe should be taken out and shot. Was this a criminal act? Do you think the people in wardrobe ran off the lot fearing for their lives? Please.
You'd think a seasoned journalist would have been able to recognize what our Girl Scout staff and readerships did: that there is an obvious difference between threats/plots and jokes (horrible taste or not).
Does Mr. Sloat really not see the difference between my post and a skinhead threatening a Black civil-rights leader? Can he not distinguish at all between the legitimacy of these threats? Really? I'd better warn, Tyra.
The worst part is this...while no one in their right mind mistook my post for a legitimate threat, readers of The Daily Bellwether would have easily mistook his story as legitimate news. The headline that a Moore lover was really advocating the murder of LK, akin to skinheads and Hezbollah, was TOTALLY disingenuous.
Am I belligerent, offensive and distasteful?
Maybe. But I'm sure as hell not feeding my readers lies, labeling it as investigative journalism and hiding behind my credentials.
Mr. Sloat,
In the Ohio Blogsphere, belligerence is a misdemeanor. But intentional misrepresentation of the facts, is a felony.
And cowardice (like taking a jab at me on your blog without notifying me and then, when I stumble upon it, ducking my rebuttal until the smoke clears)...well, that...that's just lame.
PS. No...the head of the Cleveland Clinic should definitely live.
astute and accurate rebuttal-Maybe stuff like this is why Sloat is an unemployed journalist.
Uh buddy. Sloat is retired, and not unemployed.
Excellent example of how innuendo and mistatements become "fact" on blog sites.
sort of like implying bob wanted a fatwa against larry king?
I'm all for a fatwa against "the anonymi".
you are just angry because your huge testicalled idol was made to look foolish by people you equate to girl scouts and cowards
Menk,
Don't even joke about death threats, I once got in a bunch of trouble doing that.
Never used the word cowards. If you re-read my comment I used girl scouts as a metaphor.
Can someone explain to why it is so friggin' hard to at least make up an alias to post here so there is some continuity ?
My guess is anonymous is used in keeping with Neorepublican creed-
To Not be inconvenienced by accountability
Menk,
I hear you. I've never understood why people don't make up an alias...I can't tell you how many times I've had to say things like:
"I disagree, fourth-anonymous-from-the-top..."
We could change the Blog settings so that only people with a Blogger profile could comment, but I do like the idea of a totally open forum, faceless mortar attacks, stray bullets and all.
Robert, I think that those too shy to post their name may be silent if required and I would rather hear anybody's comment than not. & its those who share conflicting views that actually contribute a great deal....If we just wanted all of the same marching orders - we should go to a "Young Republicans" blog
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