Man that last thread was littered with land mines, eh? I wanted to chime in all day, but it was one of those thin-ice topics where you have to spend so much time choosing your words and making sure your analogies don't offend that it takes an hour to write sentence number one. I'd been meaning to write a race/culture post for a while and the last thread was just the jolt I needed.
I'll start off by saying that I find both sides of this race debate frustrating. On one side I often see people who have a burning desire to imply (but can't just come out and say it) that blacks are some inferior, bottom-feeding race that have no one to blame for their troubles, aside from Al
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. People who say shit like "Get over it! Slavery was like 200 years ago!" These people don't want to listen when you point out that Martin Luther King Jr, who stood up in the face of police dogs and fire hoses would have been 78 years old this year had he not been murdered for simply speaking out about equality.
On the other side, I see people who are often unwilling to face statistical realities and scared to even admit that yes... there are fundamental differences between races. Would anyone here honestly argue that Asians don't have a knack for math? If you had to bet your life's saving on the outcome of a spelling bee, would you not put your money on the Indian kid? Would any gringo that's traveled in Latin America argue that Latinos don't have festive dance in their blood? Or that Koreans are more introverted than Americans?

If we are even willing to acknowledge these differences the next question of course is are these
racial or simply
cultural traits? My guess: some are racial, some are cultural, some are a bit of both. Here's all that matters to me though:
(1) Different races are fundamentally different in all sorts of ways. It's OK to admit and even embrace this. However, no amount of statistical evidence proving one race is superior to another in
such-and-such category could ever validate discrimination against an
individual based on their race. Period.
(2) On the other hand some cultures (and sub-cultures) are categorically superior to others (How we judge a culture is a whole '
nother can 'o worms). Cultures are fair game for scorn, mockery and criticism, and voluntary members of those cultures are fair game as well.
Do we need to be accepting/tolerant of every subculture out there from Amish to Hippie to 'Thug Life' to Wicken to Polygamy? It's one thing to support people's right to subscribe to any stupid, self-destructive subculture, and as long as they're operating within the law, I do. It's another thing all together to treat any and every culture as sacrosanct.
(I'll never forget Whoopi Goldberg on
The View suggesting that, being from the deep south, dog-fighting was a part of Michael Vic's "culture" implying that 'cultural crimes' should be protected by 'cultural immunity.')
Bottom line: many of our nation's inner-city Blacks (along with many inner-city Whites and Latinos) have subscribed to a particularly shitty, corrosive subculture, it's that simple.
If we can arrive comfortably at that conclusion, the next question is WHY. Why is it so prevalent? Is there cultural baggage, discrimination, exploitation or general disadvantage involved?
This is where the liberal can step in and make an argument that the mere existence of this 'Thug Life' culture is a product of generations of (or continued) oppression by whites. I'm not saying I agree or disagree. Just saying that this is a starting point for an honest discussion.
Unfortunately we seldom get that far because we're too afraid to admit that the culture is shitty in the first place at the risk of seeming racist. Instead we sometimes even defend it as if it's an inseparable part of the African-American racial fiber. Which, if you think about it, is truly offensive.
The sooner we draw a line in the sand between race and culture, the sooner we can work towards racial equality and racial tolerance
while at the same time shamelessly challenging any dead-end subculture that ails our nation.